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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 21, 2012 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

PM Tell -

I think you have conflated risk aversion and risk mitigation.

First of all, the odds of you being targeted for violent crime are considerably less than one in a trillion. Yes I know you were only making a point that the chances are remote. But don't be fooled into thinking that remote is close enough to zero that one should dismiss it.

I couldn't help but notice that almost all of the items on your laundry list are reactive, post event training. While I think it's prudent to train in response capabilities. I'd rather train to be able put two rounds center of mass than have have to try and stop my wife's arterial bleeding because some fucking asshole at a movie theater decided to start shooting up the crowd or some thug wannabe banger from MS-13 decides to try and stick a knife in us for some initiation.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that people should take courses like these. There are any number of good wekeend courses in Tactical Medicine, CRI and TMI are nationwide and have great curricula.

Risk aversion or risk mitigation? Some risks will always be there. A car accident is random and there isn't much you can do except perhaps avoid driving on I64 West towards Richmond out of Virginia Beach between 3 and 6 PM. Or driving after midnight - I assume every oncoming driver is drunk and mentally prepare myself for reaction. Those events have a randomness and risk associated with them that are a function of society at large but lack malevolent intent. Negligent yes, malevolence, not likely.

Risk aversion or risk mitigation wrt asocial sociopaths who have decided that you are their target? You don't have choice. Action (or inaction) driven by expectations based on how you think things should be do nothing in these scenarios except ensure the outcome. Which is almost always not favorable to you.

Not "you", you. The generic "you".

Time to strap on the iron and go pick tomatoes.

I kid..........

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 21, 2012 1:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the dark knight

Call it whatever you want--the process is the same: how do I reduce risks of mortality to family? In a civilized society, we already did the experiments you two are talking "around". Works better to be selective.

The ave person simply cannot do what you find "fun" (face it, that is the reason you do it--you enjoy physical fitness, empowerment, etc., etc.; all in a good way, trust me--I do too; I own more than a dozen .44 is BIG, so in case you think that's the issue, it is NOT. I am HUGE on gun ownership--this is all ACADEMIC discussion, which I love to do, right?).

But Ring hits the nail on the head: the Wild West WAS precisely the example you articulate--it turned out to be much safer NOT to arm EVERYONE but to arm a few, like you, that know what they are doing...period.

Right? That's my only pt in all this...